well, now, i knew there was a good reason why i didn't want to live forever in paradise on earth:.
from the sept 1906 wt .
for instance, those who will constitute the church, and who will be changed from earthly to heavenly nature in the first resurrection--"changed in a moment" --will be spirit beings like unto our lord, and like unto the angels also in respect that they will be sexless.
and at the end of the thousand years be all of them in perfection, like Adam was before Eve was taken from his side.
This isn't the first time that I have noticed JW literature speaking derogatory against Eve, like she is the whole problem for mankind's sins.
something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.
i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.
the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.
I think that it is wrong to compare Jesus' Baptism and subsequent anointing
"Christ" being the Greek word meaning Messiah, the anointed one "Jesus Christ".
Jesus was the Christ or annointed one at birth.
Luke 2:11 Today in the town of David a Saviour has been born to you: he is Christ the Lord.
He did not become the Christ at his baptism.
something has been bugging me for ages about the non-participation of r&f jws in the memorial meal (sounds like a mcdonalds deal) !.
i've just worked out what it is.... only the "anointed" can partake of the emblems.. but at the original meal, as instituted by jesus, no one was anointed.
the anointing came at pentecost, after he had died !.
As with many JW beliefs, the JW Memorial really confuses me.
Why, if Jesus came back in 1914, do JW's still partake, when Jesus said do this in memory of me till I come back?
If only the annointed should partake, why do women partake, when the disciples were clearly all men?
Why do the "Great Crowd" come all dressed up merely to observe? Jesus and his disciples didn't have people around just to observe.
My understanding is that all members of the family (young and old-male and female) partook of the Jewish Passover.
And this day shall become a memorial for you, and you shall observe it as a festival for the L-RD, for your generations, as an eternal decree shall you observe it. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall remove the leaven from your homes ... you shall guard the unleavened bread, because on this very day I will take you out of the land of Egypt; you shall observe this day for your generations as an eternal decree. - Exodus 12:14-17
Of all the Jewish holidays, Pesach is the one most commonly observed, even by otherwise non-observant Jews. According to the 1990 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS), more than 80% of Jews have attended a Pesach seder.
Feast of Passover
Celebrated on 14 day of Abib (April Ex. 13:4) G-d chose this date (Exodus 12:1,2)
Lambs used in sacrifice
(1) In Genesis the lamb was slain for the individual (Gen 4:4).
(2) In Exodus the lamb was slain for the family (house), (Ex 12:3––––4).
(3) In Leviticus the lamb was slain for the nation (Lev 16).
(4) In the New Testament the Lamb of G-d was slain for the sin of the world (Jn 1:29).
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins (Heb 9:22).
In John 6:53-54, Jesus said, ""Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54" "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day," (NASB).
"Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? 17 Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 18 Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar?" (1 Cor. 10:16-18, NASB).
Unless someone can correct me on this, I personally believe that the chosen spoken of in the NT are the Jews, God’s chosen people. God made an everlasting covenant with them, the apple of His eye.
Hope this post isn’t too haphazard, but I’m copying and pasting from some of my personal files - info that I have acquired in the past few years.
this is something that just popped in my mind suddenly.. but i was thinking about over the years the many comments of jws about loved ones.
for instance, one sister was speaking of her disgust with her children not accepting the "truth".
she gladly tells anyone of what she told them; that if they don't accept it before armageddon that it's too bad.
I haven't been on much lately but this post really caught my eye. I have a lot of work to do today in the garden (day off) but I felt the need to respond. Having never been a witness it's really hard for me to fathom, and it breaks my heart that so many people have been so hurt by their own family members. I truly don't understand what the JW org believes about death.
When my aunt passed away a couple of years ago my mother didn't seem as upset as I would expect from her (she's very emotional). I read the cards she received from her "sisters" and one really upset me. The lady wrote that my aunt would have another chance in another 1000 years. First, she was judging my aunt and stated that my aunt didn't make it. When I told this to my mother she didn't react at all, except for sorry, I shouldn't have let you read it - I didn't think anything of it. I had to leave with the excuse that I was tired, I was so upset. An other aunt (her oldest sister) passed away a couple of years ago and I doubt she shed any tears. My mother was always critical of her and yet she was probably most like her.
So I don't understand the JW views on death. If a person has never been a witness or falls away from the Org and dies before Armageddon, they have another chance - in a 1000 years or immediately after Armageddon? Where in the bible does it say that?
I once asked my mother how she felt about all her family not being saved into eternal life because none were witnesses. Her comment to me was that she never thought about it. Maybe she has the hope or security that we will all have a second chance when we all realize that our faith was wrong and that hers was the true faith?
I'm almost tempted to print this thread and giving it to my mother asking her what she thinks about these comments.
Again, I'm so sorry for all the hurt that your families bring, all in the name of a false religion.
looking at the thread on dates for the big-a reminded me that i've wanted to ask this question of a jw.
sometime one's going to come to my door and go on their thing about how we get to live in paradise and it's coming soon etc.
so my question is: what difference does it make when it gets here?
As a Christian I’ve never understood the JW thinking regarding Armageddon. (though I admit that I was scared for a period of time in my 20's when my parents talked about it - 1975)
I know that some in my church say the possibility exists that the end could come soon but we don’t know when and Jesus said that we wouldn’t know. It could be in 10 yrs or it could be 50 yrs, though I do feel that the Jews going back to their homeland in 1948 is significant.
I feel that as long as I’m doing Gods’ will and try to live a decent life I’m not going to be concerned about it. My own life will end eventually and that is what I need to focus on. JW’s beliefs are based solely on fear. With Jesus there should be no fear.
i must have missed this on my travels thru different x-dub sites, but i think i read something on here about their "new light" regarding the timing for armegeddon.
since its been over 30 years since 1975, how do they predict armegeddon now?
what do they tell new converts regarding the 1975 debacle?
I remember 1975. My parents, who became witnesses around 1971, talked about it and I was scared at the time. I was still fairly young (about 22 and out of the house) and for years I didn't want anyone talking about any end of the world stuff. My mother now denies it.
It never occurred to me till this thread why my parents might have sold their house here in Canada and went to the States, basically living like gypsies, never knowing where they were for months at a time. My two youngest brothers hardly went to school during this time. We couldn't figure out what the heck my parents were doing. The possibility that Armageddon was soon coming might have persuaded them to totally give up on this system.
just no naughty pictures though...... perhaps something of interest that you see in your country that some of us would not have in ours?
just a thought....... i took this one of a dragon fly that was hanging out on our gate.
beautiful irridescent purple and maroon wings.
Juni: I would love to keep this thread running; that as we take more pictures we can post them here. So many great pictures!
just no naughty pictures though...... perhaps something of interest that you see in your country that some of us would not have in ours?
just a thought....... i took this one of a dragon fly that was hanging out on our gate.
beautiful irridescent purple and maroon wings.
Even though the garden has been neglected due to my not living here for three years I still managed to get a few flowers. The last one (rose) I just bought yesterday. The colour is absolutely beautiful, to me anyway.
just no naughty pictures though...... perhaps something of interest that you see in your country that some of us would not have in ours?
just a thought....... i took this one of a dragon fly that was hanging out on our gate.
beautiful irridescent purple and maroon wings.
Juni I did it. Photo is too large but the rest I will resize. Thank you so much.
just no naughty pictures though...... perhaps something of interest that you see in your country that some of us would not have in ours?
just a thought....... i took this one of a dragon fly that was hanging out on our gate.
beautiful irridescent purple and maroon wings.
